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    Setup and config for Toyo R888's Factory Recommendations

    ****** Letter from the engineers in Japam *****

    Joe & all,
    Sorry for the delay but I have some recommendation information to pass on that I hope will assist with the Proxes R-888 performance level experienced by the race community.

    *Any information we supply at this time is not applicable in all cases*

    Civic air pressure in hot stage seems to exceed the proper level.
    "Front-drive & light weight" vehicles prefer 32-35psi(220-240kPa).
    And If the pressure at hot stage exceeds 38psi (260kPa), it should be adjusted.

    I don't think the amount of front camber is necessary for "Rear-drive" vehicle (BMW).
    3.5-4.0 degree seems to be too much.

    My understanding is "Solo" competition is similar to "Slalom" or "Gymkhana" (in Japan).
    Each competitor is running individually, and race time is approximately 1-1.5 minutes.

    In case of "Gymkhana" in Japan, air pressure of R888 is as follows.
    TOYOTA VITZ (SCP10) : Cold 29-32psi (200-220kPa) / Hot 32-35psi (220-240kPa)
    HONDA CIVIC (EK9) : Cold 26-29psi (180-200kPa) / Hot 32-35psi (220-240kPa)
    MITSUBISHI LANCER Evolution (CT9A) : Cold 26-29psi (180-200kPa) / Hot 32-38psi (220-260kPa)

    Since there are so many variations regarding track preparation, vehicle-setup, and driver's skill,
    I am not sure these pieces of information are useful for all racers.

    "RA-1 drivers slide the car around, R-888 doesn’t seem to like this".
    "The sliding style of driving can/will overheat the tire and wear quicker".

    Tire Construction change
    a. Generally, the R-888 has a higher spring rate than RA-1, meaning it is stiffer

    b. More cornering force per camber angle vs. R-A1

    c. More cornering force at smaller slip angles

    d. Overall wider tire

    e. These will affect car/tire setup

    RA-1’s Flying Laps

    a. Testing shows RA1’s tendency to produce fast lap times at the end of it’s life.

    b. If racers are testing worn out RA-1s (corded) to new R-888 (shaved), they may see that the RA-1 is faster in some instances.

    * Owning a pyrometer is the best way to tell how a tire is performing.

    The attached technical comparison data shows the performance improvements of the R-888 compared to the RA-1 and as you will see the camber does not need to be set so high to achieve similar cornering force compared to the RA-1.
    The air pressure adjustments seem to be the most crucial as Danny Kok also stated in our phone conversation.
    The starting and hot air pressures are much too high and need to be adjusted to maximize performance.

    I have attached many files that may help with maximizing set-up.
    Let me know if this assists the racers.
    Thanks and good luck!

    John Carpenter
    Technical Services
    Toyo Tire Canada Inc.

    There are about 10 documents in the .zip file which includes some engineering tests.

    Great support from Toyo Tires.

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    Re: Setup and config for Toyo R888's Factory Recommendations

    I dig in the attachment and I couldn't find the proper temperature for the tire. Do we know what's the best for RA1 and R888? I know I started to have problem on full tread dept RA-1 around the 145F. What's the proper temperature we should start to spray them with water to cool them off?

    Goeff and I cut about a second(or more) at the national when we brought the tire below 145-150F.
    Alf

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    Re: Setup and config for Toyo R888's Factory Recommendations

    RA-1's are in the 180 - 220 degrees core temperatures.

    R888's are in the 160 - 190 degrees core temp

    Pressures are important!!! Keep it low.

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    Re: Setup and config for Toyo R888's Factory Recommendations

    Does this apply to both the GG and SG compound?
    Loui P
    2005 Subaru Legacy 2.5GT

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    Re: Setup and config for Toyo R888's Factory Recommendations

    GG compound for now, since I don't have information on the SG yet.

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